gep again, you don't see it in the unemployment rate. >> gary b, respond to that. >> steve made an interesting point and he said, you know, our economy is much stronger and heavily unionized. and unions peaked, 40, 50 years ago and i think that the-- >> hold on, the strongest we've seen the economy though is in the mid to late 90's, primarily because the internet bubble, an industry in total technology that was one of the lease unionized industries, so i don't think there's a correlation in our country anyway, between high unionization and what the economy's been doing. >> steve, response? >> absolutely wrong, when workers make more, they buy more, you know what? maybe some of these-- >> how are you defining-- >> hold on, hold on, guys. >> and saying the henry ford axiom, i want my workers to be able to buy the automobiles we're producing. >> well, but the issue here is-- >> what if we go back to spartacus here, because, he had good ideas, too.